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Article: 13638 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Problem switching from (ancient) shelltool to CDE's dttool (sol 9!)
Date: 20 Aug 2002 13:07:03 -0400
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In article <ajts6m$v0$1@panix1.panix.com>,
David Combs <dkcombs@panix.com> wrote:
: I just got a sunblade100, and have installed on it
: the just-released Solaris 9. Nice OS, lots of
: nifty features, I'm told.
:
: However, one big problem: no more support
: for shelltool, which, after years of threats
: from Sun, doesn't exist on 9. (I'm now wearing
: a black armband!)
:
: (I've read, in comp.unix.solaris, that you can't (either
: easily, or at all), move the solaris-7 (or 8) shelltool
: executable to 9 and have it work, because Sun has also
: removed various other things that are needed for
: shelltool to run.)
:
: Anyway, it doesn't work too well; I think the
: immediate problems can be boiled down to solving
: this one problem:
:
Define "it". First you said you could not use shell tool
on Solaris 9, so what are you using instead? dttool?
xtool? ...
: (1) You say "ls -ls", and the screen (at my "shell
: account" at the other end, to which I'm dialing into via
: kermit) fills with, uh, ls-lines.
:
: Now do "vi some-file" -- all those ls-lines are still
: there, just overlaid by the "black" chars in some-file.
:
: You hit ^L -- nothing happens.
:
: You exit or ^Z vi, and try ^L again; still nothing.
:
: You type the cmd "clear"; nothing happens.
:
This would suggest that whatever you are using for a terminal
emulator on Solaris 9 is not the same terminal type as the
one you get with shell tool. AND/OR that the host doesn't know
what type of terminal it is (what does "echo $TERM" on the
host say?) OR that the host has the terminal name but doesn't
support it. Or it supports it, but not correctly, etc etc.
: (Could I 'research" this myself? Doubtful --
: I've *never* yet been able to comprehend the
: ins and outs of serial communications, so much
: so that even after a few years of using kermit
: for my isp connection, I still get neither color
: nor eg french accents. Maybe you have a cookbook
: way to enable that stuff, *without* my having to
: understand what's behind it?)
:
C-Kermit has a manual that explains this stuff in great detail,
complete with pictures.
For French accents, you have to get C-Kermit to (a) use 8-bit
characters ("set terminal byte 8") and (b) convert whatever
character-set the remote host uses for French to whatever
character-set your terminal emulator uses.
For color, your terminal emulator (blah tool) has to support
it and the host needs to be told what kind of terminal you have
and needs to have a termcap/terminfo entry that knows about its
color capabilities AND applications that use that
termcap/terminfo (e.g. color ls) to do color presentations.
- Frank